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I'm curious what others think about this. I think Superman is a Tank with energy projection, but what is his origin?
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Dunno about Superman.
Batman (Scrapper)
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SPP: Invulnerability
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superman would definetly be a invul/super strength tanker.
Anyone know what Shazaam would be?
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Superman would be an Invuln/SS Tank. He has dipped into the Flight and Speed power pools, and taken Energy Mastery as his Epic Powerset. He would be Natural Origin.
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| 07/06/06 13:01 |
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More importantly, what AT is the Shaquille O'Neal "Steel"?
I'd say the AT is an Epic called "Bad Actor"
Primary Power: "Fat"
Secondary Power: "Cheesy"
Epic Power: "Quotable"
Has all powers from the "Lazy" and "Spoiled" pools. Rarely uses his one power from the "Spectacular" pool.
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| 07/06/06 13:15 |
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| QUOTE | More importantly, what AT is the Shaquille O'Neal "Steel"?
I'd say the AT is an Epic called "Bad Actor"
Primary Power: "Fat"
Secondary Power: "Cheesy"
Epic Power: "Quotable"
Has all powers from the "Lazy" and "Spoiled" pools. Rarely uses his one power from the "Spectacular" pool. |
ZING!
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| 07/06/06 13:37 |
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| QUOTE | More importantly, what AT is the Shaquille O'Neal "Steel"?
I'd say the AT is an Epic called "Bad Actor"
Primary Power: "Fat"
Secondary Power: "Cheesy"
Epic Power: "Quotable"
Has all powers from the "Lazy" and "Spoiled" pools. Rarely uses his one power from the "Spectacular" pool. |
OMG! Now THAT'S FUNNY! LMAO
Superman is definately Invul/SS but might be better clasified as a Brute with SS/Invul that could have taken the Energy Epic from the hero side.
Where would we put Green Lantern and Magneto?
Would Green Lantern be a Rad Defender?
The closest thing to ole Mags is a Grav Troller.
There are some that fit exactally into some existing ATs, and some that the devs looked at and went: "NO WAY I'M CODING FOR THAT!"
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| 07/06/06 13:40 |
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Superman is an SS/Invuln Scrapper, not tanker. Whenever it comes down to a one on one even fight, he gets beat to hell, but returns the damage. For example, his battle with Doomsday, or any fight he's had with Darkseid. For everything else, he pulls his punches, because he doesn't want to kill them. He only uses enough force to beat an opponent. Its the equivalent of a lvl 50 Scrapper using brawl against a lvl 25 blaster. The brawl will subdue the opponent in no time, but it also won't destroy the opponent utterly. He only goes all out when he absolutely has to, and even then he doesn't like to.
Just my opinion, feel free to disregard....:)
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| 07/06/06 13:46 |
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| QUOTE | Superman is an SS/Invuln Scrapper, not tanker. Whenever it comes down to a one on one even fight, he gets beat to hell, but returns the damage. For example, his battle with Doomsday, or any fight he's had with Darkseid. For everything else, he pulls his punches, because he doesn't want to kill them. He only uses enough force to beat an opponent. Its the equivalent of a lvl 50 Scrapper using brawl against a lvl 25 blaster. The brawl will subdue the opponent in no time, but it also won't destroy the opponent utterly. He only goes all out when he absolutely has to, and even then he doesn't like to.
Just my opinion, feel free to disregard....:)
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Great description. That's why I think he's really more of a Brute class AT. When you tick him off he can really dish out the damage!
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| 07/06/06 13:51 |
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I can't believe what I'm reading here. Superman is the ultimate example of a tank. He's what all super strength / invulnerability tankers aspire to be. To try to cram him into some other AT to explain why other tanks don't measure up is heresy.
        
          
          
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Warron Peace
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Thanks for the support Thundar. I agree he is more of a Brute, but if you've read Lord X's post, some ppl might take offense to that. Now, in defense of my views, within the world of Paragon we have many NPC heroes (and villains) who have powersets combined that us players could not in reality duplicate. One example that comes to mind is Luminous Eidolons, who have the powersets Radiation Blast and Super Reflexes. Tell me what AT players can have that offer that great a combination, and I'll kiss your feet. That said, Superman is what we would consider an NPC. Therefore he doesn't fit into any mold a player could make based off of player AT's. He is not a scrapper, or a tanker, or a brute even. He is Superman, and his powers are his the way they were designed.
And as far as tankers trying to be Superman, they will always fail to do so. It is not possible. Superman's main ability is to do damage. He does so much damage that to fight Joe Criminal with his full power would leave him responsible for Murder. He can also take a hit. Take one (or many) so well that he seems unkillable to us humans. As I said before though, when it comes down to an even fight (Doomsday, Darkseid, and even Lobo come to mind as even matches for Supes), the big guy takes a massive beating, and is only able to survive by putting out more damage than he is taking. That is what a Scrapper does (even more so what a Brute does), not what a tanker does. A tanker survives because he has incredibly high defense, and some ability to heal himself. Tankers by no means kill fast. A tanker cannot be expected to go toe to toe with an AV (perfect example of an even fight). No AT can solo an AV, and yet Superman does this regularly.
Superman cannot be defined accurately by CoX AT's, but if you feel you must squeeze him into one of our roles, Scrapper (or even better, Brute) is closest to what he can really do.
Once again, just my opinion, feel free to disregard...:)
PS: If you haven't noticed, I am a huge Superman fan, I know an incredibly large amount of stuff about him, his powers, and his fights. While I'm no expert, (no one can be an expert on a character other than said character's creator) I do know most of the answers when it comes down to his powers, their source, his weaknesses, and his feelings about his powers and how he uses them.
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| 07/06/06 14:24 |
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I was trying to classify Raven but she has too much stuff she can do. Grav troller mebbe, but maybe dark blast too?
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| 07/06/06 14:38 |
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If Superman is a scrapper, then he's the worst scrapper in history. Take away his main ability, which is his invulnerability and he gets his butt kicked every time. He relies heavily on his ability to ignore blows. That's a tank. The incredible damage he does is because he's far higher than 50th level. Just like Statesman, only smarter.
Fill Batman full of bullets, break half his ribs and then throw a sleep gas grenade and he's still likely to kick your butt before he goes down. That's a scrapper.
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Warron Peace
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Ahh, but Superman has gotten his butt kicked, and still dished it out. Did you ever even read about his fight with Doomsday? He's bleeding, with cracked ribs, and yet he still gets in there and kicks Doomsdays as...butt. He dies in the act of killing Doomsday. That is a scrapper, not a tanker. A tanker would have survived, but not been able to beat Doomsday. And as far as the bat goes, he is an MA/Devices scrapper, take away his armor, and he's just as dead. If a scrapper loses his defense, he's dead too. Any melee based character needs their defenses to survive, even if their defenses are just the ability to heal real fast. Their is such a thing as an invulnerability scrapper being able to tank for a team, especially if they are a higher lvl than the mobs they are fighting. Superman is a higher lvl Scrapper (brute!) than any of the bad guys he faces, so he doesn't take any damage. Once again, in an even fight, its his ability to fight back that gets the job done, not his ability to take a punch. He is not a tanker.
(I will say this once more. No "real" hero like Superman can be made to fit a CoX AT. Our AT's are designed to compliment each other. The tanker gets himself beat up while the scrapper kills the boss, the blaster kills the rest, the controller stops the baddies from fighting, and the defender lessens the amount of damage taken, while healing what damage their is. The only similar situation to CoX is the X-men, because they are all trained to team up. Heroes like Superman are not made to team. They are the ultimate Soloers, like no CoX AT can be. If you can ignore AT's, then Superman has both Invuln and SS as primary powers, with High damage AND High defense (brute?). He isn't a scrapper, he isn't a tanker, he isn't any CoX AT.)
Yet again, Just my opinion, feel free to disregard....:)
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| QUOTE | Dunno about Superman.
Batman (Scrapper)
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*Lex Luthor* WRONG!
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Bats is far from invulnerable, but he does have great reflexes.
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| QUOTE | | Tankers by no means kill fast. A tanker cannot be expected to go toe to toe with an AV (perfect example of an even fight). No AT can solo an AV, and yet Superman does this regularly. |
lol yeah so this is completely off topic.
monday night at like 11 EST i joined the sister psyche TF and we were flying thru it. about 2 hours into it i had to bio so i go AFK for like 10 minutes, when i come back i decide to take 5 more minutes to make a PBJ and cup of milk and sit on the couch, big mistake. while i was AFK the leader of the TF DCed and i got the star. well i was on the couch i passed out and the whole TF waiting around for like an hour for me to come back (ask jeni she was in it too). well i woke up like 3 hours later and realied i was still online so i just logged out. i got back up in the monring and played for 3 hours, hoping that my TF would come back and no one did. so i had 3 missions left, 2 were find the glowie so no big deal. well i come to the last mission against the AV. oh yeah, i'll give her a shot solo, i have a few shivvys to help out. wtf was i thinking! she just about one shot my shivvy and just kicked my butt around the sewers. greeaaat idea big. and thats no even fight, tahts asking for a swift boot to your ass AFAIC.
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Superman is an Incarnate. He has greater power than any of us can have playing the normal ATs. I think the same would go for most powerful heroes. Really, where would you fit in someone like the Silver Surfer or Thor? They are far more powerful than the current ATs allow.
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| 07/06/06 18:07 |
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SUPERMAN IS THE GREATEST TANK EVER!!!
In fact, he's more like a crazy uber Statesman, only way tougher and way more able to inflict damage. Being able to withstand unbelievable amounts of damage is Superman's fortay. A Scrapper or a Brute rely on killing before being killed, it's just that a Brute happens to be tougher than a scrapper.
Here's the deal on the damage INFLICTING side of things. A tank can inflict a major amount of damage, anyone who disagrees should fight one in PvP - the difference is the SPEED at which he can do it! A scrapper and a blaster can dish out damage FASTER and to MORE THAN ONE guy at a time - that is the difference. Superman can waste anyone he wants to, but to do it as fast as... say cyclops could? Nah. But a good jab to the jaw and Cyclops is out.
Bat-man would be like a super-reflexes and almost kind of a dark scrapper (he freaks people out, i.e. "The Dark Knight") on the defense side, with some decent damage resistance.
Dat's my say...
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| 07/06/06 18:33 |
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I have to agree that Superman is an overpowered Brute, he obviously is far stronger than any AT (and 99% of heroes) which is why he is a terrible hero. All heroes have tragic flaws, what is Superman's? Kryptonite hardly seems a tragic flaw since he could easily maneuver in a led suit. DC makes heroes too powerful (there are of course exceptions such as Batman, perfectly amazing realistic [for a suprhero] MA/SR/DEV scrapper). DC heroes should not be classified in ATs because no AT is as powerful as the average DC Hero For instance, Firestorm who was so powerful he joined the gods and they accepted him. Or Green Lantern, with the power to create anything his immagination can in an instant, he could destroy the sun if he wanted.
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| 07/06/06 18:38 |
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I think this is one of those perspective things, but Warron seems to have a point, Superman was designed to have more strength than defense, Hence his history of combat and weaknesses to numerous elements and such. Never as totally omnipotent as some would think. Comics always build a lot of holes in heroes or there would be no real suspense. And yes, as far as I could tell from the Statesman's Pal mission, Statesman is a SS/Inv tank, with flight and such, at least those were the powers he used in the mission.
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What about spider man? I think he is a Scrapper with the villans power pool with the web grenade and web envelope. Maybe SR with the toggles of Invuln and SS
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| 07/06/06 21:52 |
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Because he is a hero and the powers available to the certain ATs, superman is a Invuln/SS/Energy tank, with an added bonus of icebreath and waaay increased perception.
Batman, my friends, is a MA/Invuln/Dev scrapper. He is Invuln, Not SR, because his armor can absorb alot of junk, like bullets etc., because he is simply human and rarely ever can humans dodge bullets. However, he does have abnormally high defense, so that is why there is Invincibility from the invuln set.
Spiderman would be... like an SS/invuln scrapper with some web grenades stuff, but scrappers dont get SS, so i would have to say hes a tank. (forgive me!)
Green lantern and Magneto would have to be Gravity/FF cntrollers with Psi mastery. Thewy never really used FF alot, but they did often use their powers to protect themselves (personal FF)
The X-men have already been brought up.
Green Goblin would be AR/Dev blaster, ecept he has some SS melee and Invuln Defense.
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| 07/08/06 23:29 |
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| QUOTE | | Spiderman would be... like an SS/invuln scrapper |
Sorry bro, I followed you and aggreed with you on Batman being invuln, but there's no way in heck that Spiderman is invuln!
Spiderman is super reflexes all the way. He DOES dodge bullets, knives, fists, anything and everything thrown at him! The more a SR scrapper gets hurt, his damage resistance actually increases - it's true, check it out under thier powers. This is why Spiderman does dodge like everything thrown at him, but when he does get hit (and his spidey suit started getting shredded) he seemingly get's tougher the more he gets hit!
I swear, I think they were thinking about nothing BUT Spiderman when they made the SR set.
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| 07/09/06 00:58 |
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Superman: Being a follower of the marvel/DC fights comics I analyzed alot of the heroes in how they fought. A good battle between supes and the hulk was waged in that book. It just seemed like supes was a super strength/invul tank battling a super strength/invul brute, the hulk. Both charicters not pulling their punches and having a good ol fashioned throwdown.
Now I'm curious about something. What does everyone think the DC charicter Lobo would be? I've always loved the main man, he was always the chaotic factor that I loved. And what about Thor? I kinda see him as a ss/invul brute with electrical blaster powers,flight, and a bit of storm summoning tied into that hammer of his.
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wow lots of good points on what AT Kal-El would be, but as a self professed Superman junkie since oh round about 1976, I tend to agree with the opinion that he really does not fit onto one AT but three or four. He has some Tank tendancies as well as scrapper and brute with a little blaster thrown in for good measure. In short he is what all heroes aspire to achieve, (I can see all the Marvel guys out there rolling their eyes now) A nice balance between all these attributes to tackle whatever villiany can be thrown his way. Now to be honest Clark has had to be De-powered at times over the years, the most notable being after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, when John Byrne re-imagined the Man of Steel, I found this to be refreshing as he was not as over powered as he was in the 60's and 70's and therefore did not need to have planet threatning situations arise every month to be an enjoyable hero.
As for the Marvel=better quote, it's all in the eyes of the beholder on that point, some prefer the more realistic Marvel approach to heroes, and some prefer the more fantasy-based DC approach. Sometimes I want to read about how Spiderman is going to pay the rent this month while fighting the Lizard, and sometimes I want to read about Superman shifting the orbit of a small planet to save it's inhabitants. Both are enjoyable, just different angles on the Super Hero thing.
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A while back I realized how closely the freedom phalanax mimiced notable super heros of the past.
Statesman = Superman
Synapse = The Flash
Manticore = Green Arrow
Sister Psyche = Jean Gray
Citadel = I think his name was Jaque or something but he looked a lot like Citadel and was in the new Super Friends episodes on Cartoon Network a while back.
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| 07/09/06 12:36 |
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| QUOTE | | Citadel = I think his name was Jaque or something but he looked a lot like Citadel and was in the new Super Friends episodes on Cartoon Network a while back. |
u mean the justice league episodes? (the only superheo junk i actually watched). if so, ur thinking of Jean Jonzz (sp?). however, he was not energy/energy, but kinda psychic-ish, with intangibility and insane smartness.
who did positron resemble?
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| 07/09/06 12:55 |
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As far as Sport's comments on the mimicing goes, he's dead on the money. Cryptic designed its signature heroes to mimic the big guys from Marvel and DC, without going overboard. Thats because CoX doesn't have any Marvel or DC heroes in it, so the iconic roles have to be filled somehow.
Now, Spidey is an MA/SR scrapper with a devices epic pool allowing him to have his web powers. Watch the cartoons, watch the movies, read the comics, he is avoiding everything, rather than just standing there and taking it like Wolverine or Colossus or some such.
I think it makes sense that the Bat would be an MA/Invuln scrapper. However, I am of the opinion that no 'real' hero (aka non-CoX hero) can be forced into a CoX AT without more inaccuracies than X3. Its just not possible. Hell, a few of the signature characters from CoX don't fit into our AT's! It's fun to guess how it could work out, but don't take it too personally, and try to keep an open mind.
Just my opinion, feel free to disregard.....:)
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| 07/09/06 13:00 |
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lumberg from office space
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| RE: What AT is Superman? (or your favourite hero) |
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Oy, I hate it when I'm posting and someone else posts somethin I want to comment on.
The character you are thinkin of is J'on J'onz. He is from Mars, has super strength and heat vision like Superman, but weaker, has a touch of invulnerability (more like a scrapper than a tanks invuln), and is also Psychic and able to Phase Shift and go Invis.
One of DC's more interesting characters...
Warron
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| 07/09/06 13:03 |
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