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Just in case this isn't old news:
MTV asks questions of Shane Kim at DICE
Microsoft announced in September 2006 that “City of Heroes” makers Cryptic Studios would develop a massively multiplayer game set in the Marvel Comics universe. But last November, rumors swirled that development of the game had been shut down.
First, I asked if the game was truly canceled. He said: “I’ll confirm. Marvel and we have agreed to end development on the MMO. It was an amicable decision…. It’s just something that we felt that, for us and for them, it would be better if we ended development. Which is disappointing, because that had a lot of promise. But sometimes you have to make these decisions.”
There's a lot more interesting stuff on Fable 2 and Mass Effect, but the bit about Marvel Universe Online really leaves one question open, what is Cryptic doing now?
I so wish Microsoft would just give Cryptic a big wad of money and free access to the FASA portfolio (Mech Warrior universe, Shadowrun's Cyberpunk meets fantasy) to make a cool MMOG with...
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Im happy to see it not make full development. Almost fearful that the game wouldnt be able to live up to CoH or it would just be a blatant ripoff of our beloved game. Then add into the mix it was Marvel Universe.
As cool as it could of been, just better a dream than a horrible reality.
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I'm glad, Marvel needs to keep its head out of some things. We have a Superhero MMO and we don't need another. I would like to see an Armored Core or Meck Warrior MMO. Now that would be something new.
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| QUOTE | | I'm glad, Marvel needs to keep its head out of some things. We have a Superhero MMO and we don't need another. I would like to see an Armored Core or Meck Warrior MMO. Now that would be something new. |
Armored Core was a great game, was my 1st mech game on the PS. Not sure if they could do this or not....but I think its an option on PS3 would be Ace Combat MMO, but then again it could be the same result as Auto Assault which sadly doesnt live anymore. I always thought that game would of been cooler if done more like Twisted Metal, another great game from the PS.
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Personally, I was a little disappointed. As much as I love CoH and would never leave it, there are a few things that could be improved upon (or just done differently) that could make for a pretty fun game. I was interested to see how it all panned out as I just can't get into fantasy games like WoW or everquest. Just not my thing. A mechwarrior MMO would be fantastic as long as it worked in real time combat and character worlds (so battles in and out of mechs via vehicles and personal weapons) with everything upgradable.
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| 02/12/08 14:03 |
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It seems that Cryptic still wants to make another Superhero MMOG, Marvel or no Marvel.
I do hope Champions online is just the working title...
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| 02/15/08 09:43 |
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| QUOTE | It seems that Cryptic still wants to make another Superhero MMOG, Marvel or no Marvel.
I do hope Champions online is just the working title... |
I think that used to be some table top game or something on the lines of D&D paper/pen RPG....whatchamacallit. I believe I remember seeing advertisements for it on back of comics when I was a kid.
Im sure someone else could confirm or deny this...Im too lazy to search it out.
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Thats right Grif never confirm or deny anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champions_(role-playing_game)
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Well, its a good thing Marvel's Online Universe is dead.
That game never would have lived up to expectations, the history of the universe never adds up, and there is no way to include a CoH-style character creation and game concept into it that would not have ruined the entire mess. Sure, people would have loved it the first time they played it, but, start digging, add up the peices, and it just never would have worked out.
Now, this newer, seemingly ed game, may turn out better, but, don't give youtr hopes up. Its Marvel we're talking about, great at starting new ideas and copncepts, great at begining alot of stuff, but it never ends well.
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LOL....I was gonna post that myself....considering I'm still currently playing a vigilante named Kiwano Blackshear who's secret i.d. is Govtmorgue in a Champions based game
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I really liked the Champions System. It was fun.
This was my first Superhero Paper -n- Dice game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villains_and_Vigilantes
The old 22 or so page rule book. It had almost 0 learning curve, although there was some serious math to creating characters. :) Loads of fun.
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | It seems that Cryptic still wants to make another Superhero MMOG, Marvel or no Marvel.
I do hope Champions online is just the working title... |
I think that used to be some table top game or something on the lines of D&D paper/pen RPG....whatchamacallit. I believe I remember seeing advertisements for it on back of comics when I was a kid.
Im sure someone else could confirm or deny this...Im too lazy to search it out. |
It was indeed, I still own the rule books (almost all of the supplementals too), it was one of the first super heroic RPGs out there. Villains and Vigillanties comes a close second as far as release dates. Until the Champions RPG (Hero Games), who is still making games (supplements and money so table to RPGs are not totally dead yet) there were mostly science fiction Space-Opera type RPGs or Fantasy RPGs. I also still possess my entire set of first edition AD&D, First Edtion VtM, and an entire set of the first run of TMNT (including all the "After the Bomb" stuff). It's all in a nice safe crate and I get it out now and again to read it.
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I'm impressed. I thought I'd played them 'all'.
From MERP, MechWarrior, Robotech, (A)D&D and Rolemaster to GURPS, Shadowrun plus several other vague Cyberpunk, musketeer and even caveman systems, Starwars RPG (plus a homebrew one) and all the World of Darkness sets and even Over the Edge and the Amber system but I never came across a Superhero RPG during the 80s or 90s.
I guess the publishers thought they wouldn't do on the European mainland or something?
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I used to LOVE the old West End Games D6 Star Wars RPG. That was outstanding in it's simplicity.
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| QUOTE | | I used to LOVE the old West End Games D6 Star Wars RPG. That was outstanding in it's simplicity. |
It was ok, but our own conversion mod of White Wolf's Vampire Dark Ages to Star Wars beat it hands down. Ehm, it may not be immediately obvious why at first, you'd have to read the entire 127 page rulebook we made :-)
Oh, and now that we're all in a nostalgic frame of mind, anyone ever survive a whole sitting of Paranoia?
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| QUOTE | | Ehm, it may not be immediately obvious why at first, you'd have to read the entire 127 page rulebook we made :-) |
Ah,no. I think I'll take your word for it. I mean, you wouldn't say any untruths. Would ya?
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | I used to LOVE the old West End Games D6 Star Wars RPG. That was outstanding in it's simplicity. |
It was ok, but our own conversion mod of White Wolf's Vampire Dark Ages to Star Wars beat it hands down. Ehm, it may not be immediately obvious why at first, you'd have to read the entire 127 page rulebook we made :-)
Oh, and now that we're all in a nostalgic frame of mind, anyone ever survive a whole sitting of Paranoia? |
Yes, with one clone left and Ultraviolet clearance. Convinced the computer our characters were "Indispensably dispensable troubleshooters". After that we pelted the GM with our dice and threw empty coke cans at him for even exposing us to the game.
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I have a shelf of old RPG's I still pull out and inflict on my friends from time to time. Eveything from Boot Hill (with homemade 50 page add on and a copy 1890's mail order book for gear) and Traveller to Starwars and Shadowrun to Twilight 2000 and so on.
A Shadowrun world would make a cool world but then there are lots games out there that would be fun to play.
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| QUOTE | It was ok, but our own conversion mod of White Wolf's Vampire Dark Ages to Star Wars beat it hands down. Ehm, it may not be immediately obvious why at first, you'd have to read the entire 127 page rulebook we made :-)
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I never really cared for the White Wolf games. (I know, let the flames fly) The thing about West End's Star Wars was that it was SO easy for new players to learn. Everyone is familiar with the Star Wars genre, so there's no learning curve there. The game mechanics itself are amazingly simple as well. It's all D6s, which I know a lot of games are, and it's done with difficulty ratings. If you want to hit something at long range, you need a 20...if you only have 3D in a stat, you won't be able to hit it unless you do something big. It's cool and easy.
| QUOTE | | A Shadowrun world would make a cool world but then there are lots games out there that would be fun to play. |
I would LOVE a Shadowrun/Cyberpunk or Rifts MMO. Rifts would kick butt. :)
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I can appreciate your arguments. White Wolf systems give a lot of freedom for imagination, but they do require a bit more from player and Storyteller in return. I would not recommend their systems as a gateway drug, West End's systems were a lot more accessible. It's ironic that at the moment the WW systems are one of the few that still use (multiple) D6. Star Wars, like so many others is D20 now.
There's many non-fantasy backgrounds that would be awesome. For some reason though, it's the fantasy MMO's that thrive whereas sci-fi and cyberpunk do not. There's many an argument to find on the Internet as to why this is so. I'm thinking Shadowrun with its Cyberpunk meets Fantasy/Magic take on things could be a good bridge to span a gap.
On the other paw, that very same elves, orcs, dwarfs and trolls in Cyberspace might be off-putting to some folks as well.
Think about it this way. Taking the CoX engine and giving it some polishing on the tile-sets, textures e.t.c. would give you nearly all you need for a Shadowrun game. A few more guns, a few more blades. Different AT's and maybe a bit more Crafting in the Enhancement area and "all" you'd need is a boat-load of IP source material data-entry.
Honestly, in a lot of ways CoX is City of heroes/Villains/Mages and Cyberpunks already. You could easily run a Shadowrun RPG story in the game right now.
P.s. I never made it to Ultra-Violet in Paranoia due to a mission where we were going to destroy a cloning facility filled with traitor (and as it turned out our own) clones...
P.p.s. The one way to put of a potential RP'er forever would be to have him roll a Rolemaster character without any prior 'education' :-)
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P.p.s. The one way to put of a potential RP'er forever would be to have him roll a Rolemaster character without any prior 'education' :-) |
Sooooo true. My Rolemaster character was 4 pages, his rune weapon was another 5 and the entire character/rune weapon had their own folder (and I write small). During the character generation of that one character I idly "rolled" 15 AD&D characters surreptitiously (I did not want to tick off the GM).
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